meaningful pass, but then i think the republicans and the democrats that don't support reasonable gun violence legislation are going to be at risk in two years. that might be what it takes. but if we wait two years, that is 60,000 more dead americans from gun violence. >> jennifer: well, all right, we do know that the president is prepared to lead on this. as i mentioned, the washington post listed things that biden is likely to call for universal background checks, national database for weapons sales strengthen mental health check. they have to be considering an assault weapons ban. do you think this will go far enough? >> if there is a meaningful assault weapon ban i do think that will be helpful. but if we don't do a minimum simple background check for all gun sales then we're wasting our time. i mean, think about this, jennifer. i'm a gun owner. i go to the gun store. the federally licensed gun sellers in america are the only one who have to do a background check. it's perfectly fine for private gun dealers, timothy mcveigh was a gun dealer at gun shows to sale sell guns without a
